Licensed counselor and clinical trauma professional Kenza Haddock joins Philip Cameron to unpack one of the most misunderstood and damaging forces in relationships and the church — narcissism. A former Muslim who came to faith through a series of vivid dreams, including a vision of Jesus descending in authority, Kenza brings both personal testimony and clinical precision to a conversation that will resonate with pastors, spouses, and anyone who has felt trapped in a cycle of abuse.
Kenza defines narcissism clearly: "A narcissistic person truly believes they are inherently special — not special in Christ — all by themselves." She traces its spiritual root directly to Satan, noting that he "meets every criteria of narcissistic personality disorder," and draws on biblical examples from King Nebuchadnezzar to Jacob's transformation at Peniel to show that God can redeem even the most entrenched narcissistic patterns. Practical tools include setting firm verbal and physical boundaries, resisting the urge to "fix" the narcissist, and forgiving repeatedly while prioritizing safety.
Kenza is founder of Oceanic Counseling Group, serving clients across South Carolina from its Myrtle Beach base. Her book Unmasking Narcissism is available at kenzahaddock.com and on Amazon. For counseling inquiries, visit oceaniccounseling.com or kenzahaddock.com.
“Satan meets every single criteria of narcissistic personality. He meets all of it. I mean, he wanted to ascend the throne — not to be like God in goodness, but to be all powerful. He just wanted that. I'm gonna get the angels to worship me. And that's what we have to remember. So when you're dealing with that narcissistic person, you have to definitely approach it in prayer and also draw yourself close to God so that you strengthen yourself in the Lord.”
“You can't be the one who does the fixing. You can treat them with respect. You can set those boundaries. You can pray for them. But you can't be the one who fixes them. Only God can. And they have to surrender to his will.”
“A narcissistic person truly believes they are inherently special — not special in Christ. All by themselves, yes. And they believe they are due unwarranted admiration. They get upset if people don't compliment them. They believe they're entitled to what they want and when they want it.”
What's Discussed
Licensed counselor and clinical trauma professional Kenza Haddock — a former Muslim who came to faith through dreams of Jesus — joins Philip Cameron to define narcissism clinically and spiritually. She explains that narcissists develop through entitlement or over-indulgence, mirror Satan's own character, and systematically erode their victims' sense of reality. Practical steps include setting verbal and physical boundaries, refusing to enable the narcissist by repeatedly excusing behavior, and grounding identity in Christ. Kenza cites Genesis, King Nebuchadnezzar, and Jacob's wrestling match as biblical evidence that God can transform narcissistic behavior. She leads Oceanic Counseling Group across South Carolina and authored Unmasking Narcissism, available at kenzahaddock.com.
Kenza's Journey from Islam to Faith
Clinical Definition of Narcissism
Satan as the Ultimate Narcissist
Setting Biblical Boundaries with Narcissists
Are Boundaries Biblical? Genesis Examined
Can Narcissism Be Cured? God's Transforming Power
Oceanic Counseling Group and Kenza's Practice
Why the Church Needs Counseling Alongside Prayer
Episode Transcript
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Intro
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Philip:Oh, welcome to Daily Faith. My name is Philip Cameron. If you could see the shenanigans that go on just before we start. My son Anna was running past the camera trying to get outta the way before the countdown, and he was doing the countdown as he was running. We are so delighted to have you with us at Daily Faith. We have got a guest today that I believe is gonna speak understanding into your heart. The Bible says people perish because of lack of knowledge. And we can love God with all our hearts, we can want to serve with all our hearts.
Philip:But if we don't have the equipment and the understanding in our lives, then what happens is we can trip up over the tiniest thing. I remember one time we were on vacation when I was a boy in Scotland — the whole family. My dad and his brothers had a company that had trucks, not semis, but like a shorter bed truck. And they built cabins long before there was motor homes. The Camerons had cabins on the back of trucks, like a motor home, and like a tribe we would travel down to England and Wales to different church services.
Philip:And one day we were out playing soccer with all of my cousins — hundreds, it seemed like hundreds of us. And one of my cousins kicked the ball and tripped over a blade of grass, and we laughed all his life. We have teased him with the day that he tripped over a blade of grass. And if you're not equipped to understand what's happening, you can trip over a blade of grass. Something tiny, insignificant, can be used by the devil to make you fall and make you fail.
Philip:And we are here today, and if you are going through stuff, I believe that the word from the Lord today is gonna be a blessing in your life. Many years ago — in fact, half of my life ago — I was made to go to Romania with my dad. He called me up one day and he said that our baby is dying. And I said, what on earth are you talking about? And for a week he harassed me by calling me from Scotland on the phone beside my sofa in my house in Alabama. And he'd been watching the BBC, following the freedom fighters in Romania during the Revolution.
Philip:And what they discovered was hundreds of thousands of orphans stuck in these vile places. He was recovering from cancer and he wanted to go to Romania. I said, look, you're sick, I'm busy, leave this alone. The Red Cross will take care of this. Well, he would not quit. And one day he called me up and he said, well, if you won't go, I'll go by myself. And if I die on the way, it's your fault. And that's how I found myself in an orphanage in Timișoara. And I had no idea that God had called me and caused me to go there for a moment in my life.
Philip:I've just written a new book, which is gonna be out soon, called Moments. The accumulation of the moments of your life form who you are and what you are and where you're going and destined to go. And then we adopted — I found this baby, this boy, in the middle of 200 kids, and we adopted him. And I had no idea that when I adopted — it took me a year to adopt him — and by the time that year had finished, there were no toilets. So I replaced the toilets. The roof leaked, so I fixed the roof. The beds were painted with lead paint and had horsehair mattresses with no sheets and pillows, just raw sewage in the bed beside them. And we replaced all of that stuff. And I became addicted to helping kids.
Philip:It's the craziest thing. And my whole family's involved in this never-ending saga of reaching those in darkness and oppressed. 25 years ago we ended up in Moldova, which is the next country over, which is like 50 years behind Romania. It's the poorest country in Europe. It's like Africa in Europe. And right now, as the winter comes, people freeze to death constantly. And in the orphanages of that country, when a girl turns 16, they put her on the street and traffickers get them and use them 30 to 50 times a day.
Philip:One girl in the hands of a trafficker makes them $300,000 a year. And I just don't think that's right. And we have the most amazing place — a village of houses called Vatra Village, right on the largest lake in the country. And it was built originally for rich people. And they poisoned that lake with chlorine to kill algae, and it killed all the fish, killed everything, including the people that wanted to stay — they didn't wanna stay in houses next to a chlorine lake.
Philip:And they fixed the lake, by the way. We bought the houses. They had never been used, but they were falling apart because they'd never been finished. And in that place today, young girls come, young boys — one of our homes is for boys also — and they learn about Jesus. And they turn from orphans to sons and daughters and become missionaries.
Philip:And just a few days ago, over 20 brand new kids came to our place and they sent us this video. I think you'll love it as much as I did. Watch this.
It has only been a few days since they stepped into a brand new world — a world of kindness, a world of cleanliness, a world of abundance. Every day their past grows more distant and Jesus more close. And as they live what is to most a normal, mundane life, to them, after living in a hurricane of hate, abuse, and rejection, this is as close to heaven as they will come on this side of eternity.
Philip:Thank you to our dear friends and partners for making their new world possible. They have never seen the like in their life. Most have never had their own chest of drawers to put stuff in. And they come to us broken, rejected — some of the most horrendous stories of abuse you've ever imagined. And they come in through those doors and they're hugged by our house parent and they have a big party. Those big Rubbermaid tubs that you're looking at — my wife, Chrissy, makes those. They cost about a couple hundred dollars a piece to make.
Philip:And what happens is when they have a welcome home party, the new kids and the girls that are already in the house cheer and hoop and holler and clap and dance. Every time something comes outta those boxes, they run upstairs and get another dress on and come down and have a fashion parade and go back up the stairs and get changed to something else and come back down again. And in a few moments — an hour or so of love and care — it begins to dawn on them that their future is different than what it was an hour before.
Philip:And pretty much the first thing we do from that point is we take them out into a village like the one they've just come from — poverty beyond belief — and they go to widows' homes and bring blankets and wood and whatever the widow needs. And they go to broken homes and they bring school bags and all kinds of stuff, shoes, sneakers. And they give away in one day more than they'd ever seen in their life before.
Philip:And the act of giving changes them. It takes away the orphan spirit that's been beaten into them. And to watch them change from an orphan to a son and daughter and then into a missionary — all through the summertime they have summer camps. They reach hundreds and hundreds of kids every year for the gospel. As winter comes right now, it's beginning, it's colder there than it is in America. And right now they've started the winter giving, and they supply widows. They'll go to a widow's house and tidy up the garden and rig the garden for spring.
Philip:And it's amazing that each of the houses that we have in Vatra Village adopts a house in the countryside. And for 12 months, our girls go to that village and they get to know all the little kids and get to know if there's an evangelical church — they go and be a part of that. It's ridiculous the impact they have. And so we need support. We've just started a brand new project called Promise House.
Philip:A few months ago, a young girl was brought to Vatra Village. Her name is Maria and she was underage from the other kids. We are allowed 16 years and above, and this young girl was only 14. And when she came into the place, we took the risk of taking her in. They're showing you Promise House right now. This is the house — we've just bought this house. All that fancy furniture's coming out and we're putting in bunk beds.
Philip:But let me get back to the story. What happened — this little girl, Maria, was only 14. But the mayor of our town contacted us because of the horrendous situation she was living in — abuse beyond belief. And we took the risk of taking her in underage, and they found out, and we did put her back. We had to drive her back to the village that she'd escaped from. And within a week of her going there, she was gang raped by 10 men and lost her mind.
Philip:And the lady that works for us that we rescued 15 years ago, Nadia, called me and said, look, I'll never do that again as long as I live. And so we've found these houses. We're looking to fill those houses with 50 kids, four years of age up to 16. So we're going to get them from four all the way up through Vatra Village. And we just need your help to support those houses.
Philip:We are 300 people — it takes 300 people to support a house. And if you'd like to help us by giving a dollar a day, you can change a girl's life like the girls we've just been watching, for $1 a day. And we're also looking for sponsors to help us build and finish the buildings off. One is finished — it needs repainting to get that horrible color out of it. But the second one needs finishing. And your one-time gift can help that, or you can become a sponsor.
Philip:300 people giving a dollar a day will allow us to open a house there in Promise House. So let the Lord speak to you. Our address is PO Box 25, Clinton, Tennessee, 37716. The quickest way is by going to dailyfaith.tv — there's a giving page there. You can also go to orphanshands.org and there's all kinds of videos explaining this more. And we've got an 800 number: 833-DAILY-FAITH. Your gift today, your gift right now, can bring hope and light to a little girl that has no hope in the world outside of what we're doing. Let the Lord speak to your heart.
Philip:I'm delighted to have Kenza Haddock with us. She's a licensed counselor and a clinical trauma professional known for integrating clinical expertise with biblical truth in the treatment of complex mental health conditions. She's a former Muslim and she is frequently featured in media outlets. And I'm delighted that she has taken the time to come back to be with us here on Daily Faith. Kenza, I'm so thankful for you and I appreciate you so much in the ministry God's called you to do.
Kenza Haddock:Thank you so much for having me. I am so excited.
Philip:Tell us how on earth does a Muslim woman find Jesus and end up ministering like you're doing. It's amazing.
Kenza's Journey from Islam to Faith
Kenza Haddock:It really is. You know, there's a Bible verse — I believe it's in the Old Testament — where it says, I was found by those who were not looking for me. The Lord pursues us. It talks about the pursuing nature of God and his compassion. And I was stuck in my own depression and anxiety because Islam is all about work. There's no grace, and at least my environment was lacking that compassion. And so the Lord started coming — he started sending me dreams, and I wasn't catching onto those dreams.
Philip:I've had a lot of that. I've had a lot of it — that Muslims are receiving dreams of Jesus and it's transforming their life.
Kenza Haddock:Absolutely. And talking about that orphan spirit — I even had a dream where I would fall asleep and in the middle of the night I would hear the phone ringing, like the eighties phones, and someone saying, your father is calling you. But see, I didn't see God as father. As a Muslim, you don't see him as father. And so I wasn't catching on. And this happened every night for a while. And finally I had a dream that it was the end times, and literally the sky opened and I saw a man in a white robe coming down from the sky.
Philip:Wow.
Kenza Haddock:And I mean, you can't deny Jesus. He was coming down in authority. And thankfully he appeared to me. And within that year, I gave my life to Jesus. And then he called me into the field of counseling. And it is interesting to see just how many — and I'm grateful for the ministry — I'm able to see and walk with people who are stuck in a cycle of abuse.
Philip:And the issue is — and that's one of the many reasons I love your ministry — it's because it's not a speed conversion and bye. Convert and bye. That doesn't work that way.
Kenza Haddock:It doesn't work. And it didn't work that way in my life. You have to walk with them and it's messy and it's going to be messy.
Philip:Oh my goodness.
Kenza Haddock:And we are here as ministers of the gospel to show Jesus to a world that does not know him or misunderstands him.
Philip:That's so true.
Kenza Haddock:And so yeah, that's what I've noticed — like with the cycles of abuse, and I'm sure you see it in your ministry too — it's like we tend to repeat the same cycle until we have the tools to get out of it.
Philip:Blades of grass. We trip up over blades of grass, and you know the grass is coming and here it goes and you fall down again and you think I'll never do that again, and you fall over again. You've written a brand new book that I think is very important. Now, if you're a pastor watching this program, two things: you need to get this woman to speak to your church, and you also need to order this book to help you understand what narcissism is. And I want you to explain to us — what is narcissism and how we can identify it?
Clinical Definition of Narcissism
Kenza Haddock:That's a great question because sometimes we overuse that word, right? And so the clinical definition of narcissism is somebody who has an exaggerated sense of self-importance. They are obsessed with becoming the best, whether it's the prettiest, the smartest, the richest.
Kenza Haddock:And I'm not talking about a spirit of excellence here, because a spirit of excellence is submitted under God's authority. I'm talking about going independent of God. A narcissistic person truly believes they are inherently special — not special in Christ.
Philip:Truly believe all by themselves they're special.
Kenza Haddock:All by themselves, yes. And they believe they are due unwarranted admiration. They get upset if people don't compliment them. They believe they're entitled to what they want and when they want it. And so usually people ask, are people born narcissistic or do they become that way over time? And it's both. We all inherit a sinful nature and we have to submit it under God's will. But a true narcissist — no, they become that way by either having that spirit of entitlement because of bitterness they haven't worked out, or they grew up in an environment that doted over them.
Kenza Haddock:And I'm not talking about encouragement — we are called to encourage our kids. No, this person grew up being the sun and everything revolves around them. And so when they go out in real life, they believe they're owed that.
Philip:Well, I'll tell you what, if ever we need to identify that in the church, because the cunning thing about this is it's very close and it mimics the rights of my sonship in Christ. But my sonship comes from him. Narcissism comes from me. And there is a difference between the two. And I know watching me right now, there are people who are looking at your face right this minute thinking, oh my goodness, that's what I've been fighting all my life. That's what my spouse is. That's who this person in the church is.
Satan as the Ultimate Narcissist
Philip:And so, unmask — how do we identify and unmask this? The name of your new book is Unmasking Narcissism. Tell us some of the steps of unmasking narcissism.
Kenza Haddock:Yeah, absolutely. So the person on the receiving end of narcissistic abuse will usually find themselves questioning their reality — literally questioning their reality. Because think about it — the Bible says we don't fight against flesh and blood, but against spiritual forces of evil. That person is being used by the enemy, the great narcissist, because Satan — Philip, Satan meets every single criteria of narcissistic personality.
Kenza Haddock:He meets all of it. I mean, he wanted to ascend the throne — not to be like God in goodness, but to be all powerful. He just wanted that. I'm gonna get the angels to worship me. And that's what we have to remember. So when you're dealing with that narcissistic person, you have to definitely approach it in prayer and also draw yourself close to God so that you strengthen yourself in the Lord. And also learn to set boundaries.
Kenza Haddock:For example, the narcissistic person is going to attack your identity and they're going to speak to you like you're not worthy and you don't have dignity. And so you have to be okay — and it takes time — be okay saying, hey, I don't appreciate the way you're coming off right now, or I don't appreciate the way I'm being spoken to right now. So if this continues and if the conversation continues in this direction, I'm going to hang up. Or if you're in person, I'm going to walk away.
Setting Biblical Boundaries with Narcissists
Kenza Haddock:Now here's the caveat. You have to walk away or hang up, and that person will get upset with you. And you have to fight against the urge to think, oh no, I shouldn't have done that.
Philip:Of course, the grace in your heart always comes up and says, oh, give 'em a second chance.
Kenza Haddock:But you're not helping them by giving 'em a second chance. You are affirming the narcissistic nature and spirit that's in them already. So you're making it worse, really.
Philip:Absolutely.
Kenza Haddock:And a lot of people have asked me, are boundaries biblical? And absolutely, boundaries are — you know, when we look at Genesis, one of the first things God did with Adam was set a boundary. He said, you can eat from any tree in the garden except for the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That's a boundary. We're called to imitate Jesus in love, also in accountability. We have to hold people accountable. And understand that we ourselves can only control our own actions. And so placing those boundaries and forgiving — we have to forgive over and over. And sometimes if that person continues to be toxic in our lives, those boundaries may need to be physical, because you have to be safe first and make sure your children are safe, especially if that person is not repentant for their behavior.
Are Boundaries Biblical? Genesis Examined
Philip:Can narcissism be cured?
Kenza Haddock:So science unfortunately says no, but biblically, yes — God can do it. Think of King Nebuchadnezzar. He goes out and he says, look at all of the things that I did. God humbled him very fast. Think of Jacob — before God renamed him Israel, he showed the deceptiveness of narcissistic behavior, the lies. But he wrestled with the Lord too, and the Lord changed his name. So God can transform a narcissistic person.
Kenza Haddock:But please hear this — if you are in a relationship, whether it's your child, parents, boss, whoever it is, spouse — you cannot be the one who does the fixing. You can treat them with respect. You can set those boundaries. You can pray for them. But you can't be the one who fixes them. Only God can. And they have to surrender to his will.
Can Narcissism Be Cured? God's Transforming Power
Philip:Well, let me tell you, I really feel — in fact I'm gonna talk to Andrew to get you back on — because this is a subject we have barely scratched the surface of. This is the root. Now listen to me, if you're watching just now, pastor, I feel really strongly about this. This is the problem that you're facing in your church. There are people in your church that think completely contrary to how you think. And they don't hear the words you speak as you speak them. They hear them as they interpret them. And by interpreting them through this filter — this filter of narcissism — what's happening is that they're destroying the work because of how they're doing it.
Philip:And I really feel this is important. You've written a book entitled Unmasking Narcissism, and I want to put that up on the screen because this is important. I really believe that everybody — in fact, I was teasing Kenza before the program started. I said to Kenza, look, everybody needs to get this when they're born. This needs to be part of their birth package from the hospital. It's called Unmasking Narcissism. That's on the screen. You can get it through Amazon, and there's a link to that through Kenza's website. It's kenzahaddock.com — www.kenzahaddock.com. Go there and she has other information and materials that will help you in just the day-to-day functioning of life.
Philip:You don't have to trip over the same blade of grass every day. God has an answer. And tell us about your counseling ministry, because I believe that's important as well. Tell us what God's doing through that.
Kenza Haddock:The Lord has blessed us incredibly. My husband and I were just talking about this yesterday, and I'm like, the favor of God that has been on the counseling ministry — he called us to start it, and it was like in a 10 by 10 room. And imagine, in six years now, my husband is actually setting up our newest office that we just got. He has been blessed in it so much. It's a secular practice, so we see both people who profess to be believers and people who — sometimes people don't wanna hear about Jesus because they've been hurt too.
Oceanic Counseling Group and Kenza's Practice
Kenza Haddock:And so we approach it both ways, but it has been incredible. We've seen God's favor in it. We're all over South Carolina. It is called the Oceanic Counseling Group and is based originally in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. And the website is on your screen: oceaniccounseling.com.
Philip:Now listen, sometimes you can't just wiggle things away. I wanna give a couple more minutes to talk about this. I believe that we in Pentecost and we in the church have thought, we go down to the altar, we pray for a few minutes, and then that's it, all taken care of. There are bigger issues inside your life that need to be uncovered and dug up. And going to counseling is important. And I believe that this ministry is anointed. Whether it's secular or Christian, we can go down both paths. And how's the best way to get in contact with you, Kenza? How do we do that?
Kenza Haddock:On my website, www.kenzahaddock.com. I have a contact form. If you go onto that website and say, listen, I'm having issues with my daughters, my sons, my wife — we are having a problem in our marriage — get in contact with Kenza.
Philip:She's a friend. She's not your enemy. She's gonna be a friend to you and help you walk through the circumstance you're in. And so I am really pleased. And the book — let me put the book up one more time so you can see this book and identify the cover of it. Unmasking Narcissism by Kenza Haddock. You can get that by going to kenzahaddock.com. And if I were you, honestly, everyone watching who loves your church and loves your pastor should give him that book and say, this has nothing to do with you. I'm not suggesting that you are this. We just want you to understand there are folk in the church like this that need to be helped in this circumstance.
Why the Church Needs Counseling Alongside Prayer
Philip:Thank you again for being with me. Every time you come, you make me think. And that's what I love about guests that make me think. And we want you to be blessed. Go to her shop, get that book in Jesus' name. Thank you for watching Daily Faith today. I pray God's blessing on your life, that healing and help will come to you, because the best is yet to come. You are not a mistake. He loves you. The love will never let you go. Bye-bye.
Common questions
What exactly is narcissism, and how is it different from just having confidence?
Kenza explains that narcissism is a clinically defined pattern where someone has an exaggerated sense of self-importance, believes they are inherently special on their own (not in Christ), and feels entitled to unwarranted admiration. She draws a clear line between a 'spirit of excellence,' which is submitted under God's authority, and narcissism, which operates independently of God.
Is narcissism something people are born with, or does it develop over time?
Kenza says it's both. Everyone inherits a sinful nature that must be submitted to God, but a true narcissist typically develops that way either through unresolved bitterness and entitlement, or by growing up in an environment where everything revolved around them — leaving them to expect the same from the rest of the world.
How do you set boundaries with a narcissistic person without feeling guilty about it?
Kenza advises calmly stating that you don't appreciate how you're being spoken to and following through — hanging up or walking away — even when the narcissist gets upset. She warns that backing down and giving 'a second chance' actually affirms and reinforces the narcissistic behavior, making things worse rather than showing grace.
Can a narcissist ever really change or be healed?
Kenza acknowledges that clinical science says no, but biblically she believes God can transform a narcissistic person — pointing to King Nebuchadnezzar being humbled by God and Jacob being renamed Israel after wrestling with the Lord. However, she is clear that the people around a narcissist cannot be the ones to fix them; only God can, and the narcissist must surrender to His will.
How did Kenza Haddock go from being Muslim to becoming a Christian counselor?
Kenza shares that she was trapped in depression and anxiety because Islam, as she experienced it, offered no grace. God began pursuing her through recurring dreams — including one where she heard a voice saying 'your father is calling you' and another where she saw a man in a white robe descending from the sky at the end times. Within that year, she gave her life to Jesus and was eventually called into the counseling field.