Dr. Jerry Grillo: Unlocking Faith & the 100-Fold Blessing
About this episode
Dr. Jerry Grillo, pastor of Church 180 in Hickory, North Carolina, joins Philip Cameron for a faith-igniting conversation on the 100-fold blessing and what keeps believers from stepping into God's fullest promises. Drawing from the Parable of the Sower and the story of the children of Israel at Kadesh Barnea, Dr. Grillo unpacks why the soil — not the seed — determines whether a believer produces a harvest. "It was the soil, not the seed," he declares, reminding listeners that receiving the Word is not the same as being transformed by it. Dr. Grillo distinguishes between being "translated" — moving from event to event, conference to conference — and being truly transformed by the Holy Spirit into the unnatural realm where the 100-fold operates. He introduces the "Kadesh Barnea spirit," a cycle of rumination and reverse that keeps people stuck at the threshold of their promise. His prescription: master your mind, master your feelings, and master your conversation — because "everything begins and ends with a conversation." The episode closes with a vivid image from Numbers 13, where two men were needed to carry one cluster of grapes from the Promised Land — a blessing sized not to the carrier, but to the giant. For more from Dr. Jerry Grillo, visit drjerrygrillo.com.
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Quotes worth sharing
“There's no hundredfold without a giant. I am so sick of hearing about the church in the wilderness. I'm ready to hear about the church in the promised land.”
“God doesn't want you to live a life of miracles. God wants you to become the miracle for someone else.”
“He said, when I brought my people into the promised land — when they got to Kadesh, it took two men on a stick to carry one cluster. He said, now when I bring you into your hundredfold, I didn't size the blessing up to you. I sized the blessing up to your giant.”
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What's Discussed
Pastor Dr. Jerry Grillo of Church 180 in Hickory, North Carolina, teaches on the 100-fold blessing — a staggering multiplication principle rooted in the Parable of the Sower (Matthew 13) and Ezekiel 47. He argues that good soil is defined not by receiving the Word but by reproducing it. Grillo introduces the "Kadesh Barnea spirit" — a cycle of rumination and reversal that keeps believers stuck at the edge of their promise — and prescribes three disciplines: mastering the mind, feelings, and conversation. He closes with the image of the grapes of Eshcol from Numbers 13, teaching that God sizes the blessing to the giant, not the carrier.
- Natural vs. Unnatural Kingdom Principles
- The Withered Hand and Partnering with God
- The 100-Fold Number Revealed
- Good Soil Produces — Translate vs. Transform
- The Kadesh Barnea Spirit Explained
- Three Keys to Mastering Mind, Feelings, and Conversation
- Grapes of Eshcol — Blessing Sized to the Giant
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Episode Transcript
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Intro
Philip:Hey, my friend. Welcome to Daily Faith. My name is Philip Cameron, and this is a, I believe, an ordained point. I'm amazed how God gets me to where he wants me to be, in spite of myself. He works in ways I cannot see. This song drives me crazy. He's in my mind all the time. He works in ways I cannot see.
Philip:God is the great manipulator. He moves men and moves nations, and you are watching America. America has, in three weeks, been transformed from this dithering old, tired democracy. And we've lost our way, and we're not gonna be — and everyone's, you know, let's all kick good old America. And in three weeks, because someone stands up and says, enough of this, we are the greatest nation on earth — you are watching a nation correcting itself, correcting itself.
Philip:And I'm here to tell you today, in your life, the devil wants to get you caught up in the small stuff. He wants to get you tied down by the little pushing that will take you, one thread at a time. You know the story, don't you? When the giant is tied down by the little push, and they tie his hair and his clothes a thread at a time, and there were thousands of threads, and all the threads tie him down to the ground. And I'm gonna tell you something, it's time that we shake ourselves. It's time you shake yourself.
Philip:You've been in the doldrums long enough. There's a whole band around the earth called the doldrums. To the north are trade winds, to the south are trade winds. But if you transfer from the north to the south, you've gotta go through the doldrums. And you can sit there for months at times with nothing stirring, nothing moving, nothing going. And men have died in the doldrums because the supplies of the ship have literally run out.
Philip:But I'm gonna tell you something. There comes a time when the wind and the breath comes back and the sails begin to stir and it's time to move again. And I'm prophesying in your life right now that God — it's time for the doldrums to come to an end in your life. And that the sails of faith in your circumstance begin to billow again, and power and authority and direction is back in your — oh, I can feel the Holy Ghost. We're gonna have a program today.
Philip:We do mission work in Eastern Europe. For many years we've had homes there. 35 years ago I adopted a wee boy in Romania. And you talk about God moves you. He works in ways you cannot see. He moved me from Scotland in Europe to America, then back to Eastern Europe. And for the last 35 years, been rescuing kids and changing orphans from being nothing. The first thing we tell them: if you are born, God has a plan. You are not a mistake. He saw you from the foundation of the earth.
Philip:Your mother may have misvalued you and made you think that you're garbage. Your father may have abandoned you. But I'm here to tell you, God is on your side. And we are watching faith in these kids change them from being poor orphans into sons and daughters, and then missionaries. And they sent me a video the other day that is just too good not to share with you. It's all the stuff they've been doing the last year. And it's gonna be an end-of-year report, a formal award, just to share with me what they've been doing. Watch this. It'll bless your heart.
Philip:It never fails to amaze me how these kids come to us, broken, abused in ways that you can't even conceive. They come to us with a plastic bag or something. It's just the clothes on their back, and just defeated, told every day by the orphanage worker: you're garbage, you're trash, you're nothing. And a tiny seed of faith put in their hearts — you're not a mistake, God has a purpose for your life. And these kids end up going to war-torn countries like Ukraine. When Ukraine exploded a couple of years ago, our kids were at the border feeding the mothers who are running for their lives. And that's what faith can do in your life.
Philip:And we are growing. We've just taken on a tremendous challenge right this minute. One of our girls — there was a girl taken in by our ministry in Moldova. She was younger than is normally allowed. And when the authorities found out, they made us put her back. And when she went back to her village, she was gang raped and lost her mind. And God's been dealing with it. It was a horrendous situation. And I'm now believing God for a house for smaller kids. In fact, two houses. The ministry has bought two houses, and we'll hold 50 little kids from the age of four up to 16.
Philip:And we want to get this paid for so we can get it finished so we can get it full. And we need you to help us. If you could believe God with me — I know there's someone watching that God's gonna speak to you today to say, I can make a difference in their lives. When you give to the poor, the Bible says you lend to the Lord. It is the surest way for God's return in your life when you give to the poor. It's a loan. God considers a note and he always pays. Every house we open needs 300 sponsors for one house. A dollar a day. You can give a dollar a day and change a life for eternity.
Philip:And you can help us if you could. The address is really simple. It's PO Box 25, Clinton, Tennessee, 37716. And if you could help us by being part of this brand new outreach we're having, it'll be a tremendous blessing to their lives. We can change lives one person at a time. So let the Lord talk to your heart.
Philip:I'm delighted. And we've kind of cut that part of the program short because I want to give my friend as much time as I can. We live under our privilege. We live under our privilege. Prince Harry left the royal family of his own decision and has moved to California. He might be living in a $14 million house, but a house doesn't substitute for his position. And he's lost his prince — he's lost his special point in the world for a house. And I wanna talk to you today, and my guest is gonna speak and share with us the power of believing and the power of seed.
Philip:Dr. Jerry Grillo has been a friend of mine. God put us together, and every time I'm with him I walk away thinking, I feel like kicking myself, because I'm missing so much of the promises of God in my life. He pastors Church 180 in Hickory, North Carolina, and I am proud to call him my friend. Jerry, I'm delighted to have you with me. How are you doing, my brother?
Natural vs. Unnatural Kingdom Principles
Dr. Jerry Grillo:I'm doing great. I'm so glad to be with you. I love you, Philip. I love your whole family. I want to change my last name to Cameron.
Philip:Oh dear Lord, you don't wanna do that.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:I love it. Hanging out with you, loving you. Just to see what you've done — I mean, what God has done through you. It's God, it's all God. But God can't do anything on the earth without a partner. That's truth. God — here's this God that can do anything, but when it comes to the earth, he's looking for someone to partner with.
Philip:Wow.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:And I just thank God that you were the man who was willing to let God partner through. Look at the women, the girls, the people you've affected through being a partner with God.
Philip:We're blessed so much. These girls that we knew when they were little kids — there's a girl called Rena Miku, that's her married name, and she's having her second baby and she's getting really close. And she'll text me and send me pictures of her husband and her little girl that she has already. And to watch this little baby, this little girl that we knew when she was a kid, suddenly now a mom herself and still carrying on and still ministering and still doing the work of God. It is the most amazing thing.
The Withered Hand and Partnering with God
Dr. Jerry Grillo:That God uses — you see, in every miracle, every time God does something, he needs a mechanical part of a miracle. So when Jesus sees the man with the withered hand in the temple, he says, stretch forth your hand. The man lying on the bed — he says, take up your bed and walk. God needs the partnership of action, of someone doing something. And that's what miracles happen.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:Purpose — purpose requires — you know, people don't realize the duality of the kingdom. Purpose requires assistance. I can have a purpose, but my miracle, my hundredfold — something's gonna assist me to get there. And it's interesting that when Jesus told that man to stretch forward his withered hand, he had it covered. You think about it. He's in the temple. Everybody knew he had a withered hand, but you can't show it.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:He's saying, stretch it forward. Was he willing to partner with the hundredfold? Two words you should think about in the kingdom: natural, unnatural. Natural is what I live in. Unnatural is what God moves in. God does the unnatural. That's a miracle. The natural is my hand is covered, I'm withered. The unnatural is gonna speak to my natural.
Philip:Oh, that's it.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:When Jesus comes to the tomb of Lazarus, the natural is that he's dead. The natural is that he's buried. The natural is that he stinks. But they didn't know that the natural man had the unnatural anointing. The unnatural is always going to speak to your natural. And he said, stretch forth your hand. Now, God showed me one time and said, it's not the miracle of me telling you. It's your willingness to uncover what you have covered. Purpose requires — you should write this down if you're watching — purpose requires assistance. Promotion needs conflict. There's no promotion without a battle.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:There's no hundredfold without a giant. I am so sick of hearing about the church in the wilderness. I'm ready to hear about the church in the promised land.
Philip:Ain't that the truth? Tell us about the hundredfold. I love the hundredfold. Tell us about the hundredfold.
The 100-Fold Number Revealed
Dr. Jerry Grillo:I think the church has no idea what this means. In Matthew 13, Jesus said, when the seed fell on good soil — so we know good soil produces. We know that the revelation of good soil is that it has to begin to produce. All the other soils, they didn't produce. They received but didn't produce. Good soil receives and produces.
Philip:Oh my goodness. So it was the soil, not the seed.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:It was the soil. It was all the same seed. It's the same message. So you've got this plethora of people sitting in a congregation — they're the soil. It's the same thing in Ezekiel 47. All this is paralleling. Ezekiel said, I saw this river coming from the throne room of God. The focus of the river is the Dead Sea. So we know that the river is looking for dead things to make alive. Wherever the river goes, the fish live. But God said the river's the same — the same prosperity, the same portion, the same power, the same potential. It's not the river. It was those willing to get in it, and at what level they get in it.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:The hundredfold is achievable.
Philip:I'll never forget the number you gave me that time of the hundredfold. The astonishing number. Do you want me to read it to you?
Dr. Jerry Grillo:Let me read this. Here's the hundredfold. This is how it blows my mind. This is how much a hundredfold is when God speaks of it. And as you said to me before the program, God wouldn't say it if it wasn't achievable. God wouldn't put this out for us to hear and read and see if it wasn't attainable. Listen to this. A hundredfold is one hundred and one octillion, sixty-four septillion, five hundred and ninety-five sextillion, two hundred and seven quintillion, one hundred and sixty-seven quadrillion, six hundred and eighty-five trillion, eight hundred and eighty-two billion, four hundred and thirty-one million, three hundred and forty-three thousand, six hundred and sixteen.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:And that is when God multiplies one by a hundredfold. And this is unnatural. I can't even fathom this kind of number, but it's the mindset of understanding the kingdom of God. See, what the Bible said — when the gospel of the kingdom was preached, the seed is the gospel of the kingdom. It's the word, and the soil is receiving it. It's not that they all did — they all received it, Phil. They all heard the same.
Good Soil Produces — Translate vs. Transform
Dr. Jerry Grillo:So everyone received it. One received it with joy, but none of them was good soil. So receiving something doesn't make me good soil. What identifies good soil is that something I'm receiving is now wanting to reproduce. And I think that the problem of producing in the last days — the church being a productive church and becoming the hundredfold church — is the difference between translate and transform.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:Many — the difference is this: most churches are not trying to transform a person into the kingdom. They're trying to translate them into a feeling, or into a position. Translated means you're moving from position to position, you're moving from event to event. That's translate. And though translate is information, information is not transformation.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:So I can be the most well-informed believer and never be transformed into the unnatural level of the hundredfold. Because translate means I'm about where I'm at and how I feel. And the pulpit has become an event coordinator of translating people — translating them into a group, translating them into an event, translating them into some kind of conference, a teaching series.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:If you took the modern-day church, Phil, and you looked at all these teachings — not that they're bad, they're learning, they're information — but if you took how they're now telling us to build church, we need to go back and rewrite the book of Acts. Because these men never went to a Bible school. These people never went to a conference to learn how to grow a church. But they became transformed into the hundredfold.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:And that's the difference. They became transformed. Transformation is when disposition, character, mindsets, feelings — everything gets changed into the power of the Holy Ghost. And if hell can keep you chasing something and never obtaining something, you become the most miserable, depressed Christian on the planet.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:They get to Kadesh Barnea. They come out, they see the miraculous, they witnessed the miraculous, they experienced the miraculous. Even the subtitle of reading the book of Exodus and the book of Deuteronomy, which they correlate, says the essence of God — the very tangible presence they were with. But presence doesn't change to transformed. That's true. A miracle — God doesn't want you to live a life of miracles. God wants you to become the miracle for someone else.
The Kadesh Barnea Spirit Explained
Dr. Jerry Grillo:Let me tell you where we're at. Six weeks ago I've been preaching on the hundredfold — the spirit of Kadesh Barnea. They get to the promised land and they can't go in. They won't adapt. They won't shift. And it's not that they don't want the blessing, it's that they couldn't get the mentality to move in.
Philip:That's the truth. And it's not that you don't deserve it, it's that you don't think you deserve it.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:And it doesn't mean it wasn't promised, because God says, I'm gonna take you to a land flowing with milk and honey. When you see milk and honey, that's the marker that you've arrived at the place I'm going to bring you to. And it told them in Exodus — they carry it out, it's an occupied land. They carry the grapes out with them. They carry the honey out with them. And they say, this is it. However, what's the problem? There are giants. There's an enemy, there's obstacles.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:The Kadesh Barnea spirit — if you're watching, you should write this down. It's the spirit that puts people's lives in reverse. So you're moving where God wants you, and you get stuck in reverse. Number two, it's the spirit that makes people's lives go around in a cycle. Your marriage is in a cycle. Your mind is in a cycle. The psychological word for this is rumination. Rumination is when the mind begins to tell you a story and it won't come out of the negative side of the story. And it just spirals you down.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:You have to rewrite. If you don't master these three things, you'll never have the hundredfold. Number one, you have to master the mind. You have to master it. You have to make it intentionally see the blessing, not the giant. There's the giant, but the unnatural is behind it. Number two, you have to master how you feel. If you can't master your feelings, it's because you couldn't master your focus. Your focus decides your feelings. Number three, most important, you have to master your conversation. Everything begins and ends with a conversation. You didn't get married without a conversation. You can't buy a car, a house, nothing — master conversation.
Three Keys to Mastering Mind, Feelings, and Conversation
Dr. Jerry Grillo:They conversated more about the problem. Kadesh is this ruminating, it's this cycle. You can't get out of the story of your mind, the negativity of your mind. When I was doing my knee surgery — nine, ten weeks ago now — I couldn't, if I let my mind have its authority, it saw all the things that were negative. Infection. What if it ain't gonna work? What if it don't fit? The what-if is the voice of the enemy that keeps you in Kadesh.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:What if God don't show up? What if it don't happen? What if we don't pay it? What if he does show up? That's how you start talking. What if he does? What if we do win? What if we do have it? But if we don't go to the giants, we'll never know. It's a place where people get stuck. And I've seen so many stuck pastors. They get in a rut, Philip.
Philip:I've been stuck. Stuck.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:And the difference between a rut and a grave is the dirt in your face. If you get in a rut, you'll get in a grave. So they're at Kadesh Barnea, and now they can't go in because they're not willing to face it.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:I know our time's running out, so write these down real quick. Number one, you gotta have the willingness to face the giant. Number two, do not trust what you see — you have to trust what God said. Number three, don't size yourself up to your giants. Don't look at yourself and try to size yourself up to your task. Number four, master negative conversation. Quit talking. You better discern who's in your group talking you out of your promise.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:Mary and Martha said, if you would've been here. And Jesus is trying to say — Jesus is the natural man, but inside of him is an unnatural word. Roll the stone away. I walk in the hundredfold. I walk on water. Why? Because I'm a natural man full of an unnatural word. They only saw the stink. They only smelled the stink of the rotten. It's all natural.
Philip:I can feel the Holy Ghost. There are people watching us right this minute, and all you smell is defeat. It's like, my God, it's over. I used to be it. It used to be. If only I could be. Let me tell you something. It's time for you to stand up and say, I can do all things through Christ.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:Begin to change the ruminations of your mind. Stop ruminating about the negative things and start talking about the positive things that God has in store for you. God will prepare the promised land. And the Bible said, when you're willing to obey, he'll go before you. He'll fight the battle. So God has already defeated the giant. But he can't do it if you don't enter into the land. God cannot be who he wants to be in your world without your partnership.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:Until you hit the Jordan and you are willing to cross, you are willing to face, you are willing to change, you are willing to make the trade-offs, you are willing to take your little tiny seed and know it's a tiny beginning to a huge future, and you're willing to partner with God and let it go — when you do, the hundredfold is waiting on you.
Grapes of Eshcol — Blessing Sized to the Giant
Philip:We've cut off the back of the program, so I'm adding two minutes on. We're taking off the back part, so don't stop. Keep going. I know what you're saying is life to someone. Someone's been looking at the giants. I was at the grocery store — this is what got me on it. I was looking at the vegetables, the fruits, and I saw the grapes. And God said, you see that cluster of grapes right there? Pick it up. And I picked it up.
Philip:He said, when I brought my people into the promised land — when they got to Kadesh, it took two men on a stick to carry one cluster. He said, now when I bring you into your hundredfold, I didn't size the blessing up to you.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:I sized the blessing up to your giant. So one giant gonna carry the cluster, but it took two of them. But the blessing was — I said, what was feeding your enemy will feed your whole generation. What was feeding the enemy? One enemy. When you get the blessing of the hundredfold, what was feeding them now feeds your family. It feeds your relatives, it feeds your church, it feeds your neighbor. The city becomes yours. The state becomes yours.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:Because the hundredfold is you willing to face the opposition. You are looking at the giant. One of the keys God said was: stop looking at the enemy and start looking at what I fed the enemy with. Because the grapes of Eshcol that they carried out were actually what the giants ate for lunch. It was one giant's meal. To the giant it was — go to the grocery store and pick up a cluster of grapes. That's what the giant did.
Philip:We're almost out of time. DrJerryGrillo.com — get his books. They'll revolutionize your life. We love you. See you again.
Dr. Jerry Grillo:Love you. Bye-bye. Love.
Common questions
What does Dr. Jerry Grillo say the hundredfold blessing actually means in real numbers?
Dr. Grillo calculated the hundredfold as 'one hundred and one octillion, sixty-four septillion, five hundred and ninety-five sextillion...' — a number so vast most people can't fathom it. His point is that God wouldn't put this promise in Scripture if it weren't attainable, and that the sheer scale of it reflects the mindset of the kingdom of God.
What is the 'Kadesh Barnea spirit' Dr. Grillo talks about?
Dr. Grillo describes the Kadesh Barnea spirit as the force that puts people's lives in reverse just as they're approaching what God promised them, and traps them in a cycle — what psychology calls rumination, where the mind keeps replaying the negative story and can't break out of it. He says it's not that people don't want the blessing; it's that they can't shift their mentality to actually move into it.
What are the three things Dr. Grillo says you must master to walk in the hundredfold?
According to Dr. Grillo, you must master your mind (intentionally focusing on the blessing, not the giant), your feelings (which follow your focus), and your conversation (because everything begins and ends with what you say). He warns that talking more about the problem than the promise is exactly what keeps people stuck at Kadesh.
What's the difference between being 'translated' and being 'transformed,' according to Dr. Grillo?
Dr. Grillo says translation means moving from event to event, feeling to feeling, or conference to conference — it's information, not change. Transformation is when your disposition, character, mindsets, and feelings are all changed by the power of the Holy Ghost. He argues that many modern churches are translating people rather than transforming them, which is why they never reach the hundredfold.
Why does Dr. Grillo say God needs a human partner to do miracles on earth?
Dr. Grillo explains that even though God can do anything, when it comes to the earth he looks for someone to partner with — and that partnership always requires a human action. He points to examples like Jesus telling the man with the withered hand to stretch it forward, and Lazarus's tomb, where people had to roll the stone away — the miracle came through the unnatural speaking to the natural, but only when someone was willing to act.
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