They rose early in the morning, and went out into the wilderness of Tekoa. As they went out, Jehoshaphat stood and said, “Listen to me, Judah, and you inhabitants of Jerusalem! Believe in Yahweh your God, so you will be established! Believe his prophets, so you will prosper.”
Kingdom Authority and Holy Ghost Power with Dr. Jerry Grillo
About this episode
Dr. Jerry Grillo, bishop, pastor, and sought-after apostolic voice in the body of Christ, joins Philip Cameron for a conversation that cuts to the heart of why so many believers are living far below their kingdom potential. Drawing on decades of ministry experience and a recent preaching trip to Arkansas, Dr. Grillo unpacks the difference between the church as an "event center" and the church as a kingdom government — arguing that the dunamis power of the Holy Ghost has been quietly washed out of modern Christianity. At the core of the episode is Dr. Grillo's distinction between two Greek words for power: exousias (authority) and dunamis (demonstration). "The kingdom of God is not the pulpit preaching to an ear," he explains. "The pulpit is to train the ear to assemble and do the kingdom." He points to Acts 2 and John 14–16 to show that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is not optional equipment — it is the very mechanism by which kingdom authority moves from positional truth to lived demonstration in the marketplace. Dr. Grillo also delivers a searching teaching on honor drawn from 2 Kings 4 and Malachi, contrasting the "certain woman" who received a miracle with the "great woman" who honored the prophet and received a generational legacy. "Honor is the seed for access," he declares — and prosperity, he argues from 2 Chronicles 20:20, is directly linked to whom we choose to honor. Explore more of Dr. Grillo's resources at drjerrygrillo.com.
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Quotes worth sharing
“The pulpit is to train the ear to assemble and do the kingdom. The kingdom is a government. The word kingdom is a broken-down word. There's a king and dominion. Kingdom means there's a king that has dominion or a realm. And here's a supernatural power. God's realm, God's essence, God's kingdom is not here nor there, but inside of me.”
“When real truth is being preached, the first feeling is not joy. The first feeling is sorrow. Sorrow's the proof truth is laying its weight on you. I'm not always going to church to look for a shout. I want somebody to lay some weight on me. Lay some truth on me. Why? I wanna know where I'm in error, where I'm out of alignment. When I'm out of alignment, I'll miss divine assignment.”
“One saw the man of God and got a miracle. The other honored the man of God and got a legacy. A miracle was for a moment. A miracle paid the bill. A miracle got her out of debt. But the woman that showed honor, which God calls great woman, who recognized what was in the man of God — the Bible said they built him a home.”
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What's Discussed
Bishop and apostolic minister Dr. Jerry Grillo challenges believers to move beyond a spectator-style church culture and step into genuine kingdom authority. He draws a sharp distinction between exousias — the positional authority every Spirit-filled believer carries — and dunamis, the demonstrated power that actually shifts circumstances in the marketplace. Grounding his teaching in Acts 2, John 14–16, and 2 Chronicles 20:20, Dr. Grillo argues that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is the engine of kingdom government, not a secondary blessing. He closes with a compelling study of 2 Kings 4, contrasting two women who encountered the prophet Elisha: one received a miracle, the other received a generational legacy — the difference being honor. "Honor is the seed for access," Dr. Grillo declares, and prosperity is inseparably linked to whom we choose to honor.
- Church as Event Center vs. Kingdom Government
- The Kingdom of God Is Inside You
- Exousias vs. Dunamis: Authority and Demonstration
- Sorrow as Proof That Truth Has Weight
- Holy Ghost Demonstration in the Marketplace
- 2 Chronicles 20:20 and Kingdom Prosperity
- Honor vs. Respect: The Seed for Access
- The Two Women of 2 Kings 4: Miracle vs. Legacy
Scripture in this episode
Episode Transcript
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Intro
Church as Event Center vs. Kingdom Government
The Kingdom of God Is Inside You
Exousias vs. Dunamis: Authority and Demonstration
Sorrow as Proof That Truth Has Weight
Holy Ghost Demonstration in the Marketplace
2 Chronicles 20:20 and Kingdom Prosperity
Honor vs. Respect: The Seed for Access
The Two Women of 2 Kings 4: Miracle vs. Legacy
Common questions
What does Dr. Grillo mean when he says the church has 'washed out' the power of the Holy Ghost?
Dr. Grillo argues that modern churches have become too focused on building polished 'event centers' and have traded genuine Holy Ghost power for performance — people know how to sing, dance, and do flag ministry, but no longer go into the marketplace and demonstrate the dunamis power of the Spirit.
What's the difference between 'exousias' and 'dunamis' that Dr. Grillo talks about?
Dr. Grillo explains that exousias is kingdom authority — the legal right Jesus gave believers — while dunamis is demonstration, the actual power that backs that authority up. He says the problem is that many believers have been given authority through salvation but never entered the experience of being baptized in the Holy Ghost, so they lack the demonstration that makes people believe.
Why does Dr. Grillo say the kingdom of God is inside you, not up in Heaven?
According to Dr. Grillo, God deliberately placed the realm and essence of the kingdom inside believers, not in the heavens. That means the power of the King isn't coming down to you from outside — it's coming out of you, through your mouth, as a demonstration of dominion.
What does Dr. Grillo teach about honor and why does he say it matters so much?
Dr. Grillo defines honor as 'the celebration of difference and the rewarding of someone anointed' — and distinguishes it from respect, which is just an attitude. He uses the story of the 'great woman' in 2 Kings 4 to show that honoring a man of God unlocked a legacy (a barren womb opened) while a lesser response only produced a one-time miracle. His bottom line: 'Honor will take me further than my genius,' and God Himself promises to honor those who show honor.
How does Dr. Grillo connect prosperity to honoring men of God?
Drawing from 2 Chronicles 20:20, Dr. Grillo teaches a two-part system: faith in God produces establishment (supernatural grounding), while obeying and honoring men of God unlocks earthly prosperity. He says the devil attacks ministers on social media precisely because he knows that link — who you choose to honor determines what flows into your life on earth.



